Season two, episode 11 is here: Kim Gallo: Autism Ally, Author, and Former ABA Therapist.

Kim Gallo is the author of the new book, The Pivot: For Parents and Educators – Looking at Autism and ADHD Through a Different Lens. She is a speech language pathologist in south Florida and has experience as a former applied behaviour analysis (ABA) practitioner.

Kristen and Kim discuss Kim’s changing views on ABA (thanks in large part to TikTok!), the changing landscape of what it means to be autistic in today’s world, stigma experienced by autistic individuals, masking and its impact on identity and sense of self, Kim’s perspectives on having a neurodivergent young adult daughter, and more.

Check out Kim’s website: Kim Gallo SLP: Sensory Smart & Neurodiversity Friendly

Buy The Pivot: For Parents and Educators — Looking at Autism and ADHD Through a Different Lens by Kim Gallo

If you’d like to know more about this topic, check out:

“Individual Differences, ADHD, Adult Pathological Demand Avoidance, and Delinquency” by Vincent Egan et al.

“After Your Child’s Diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder: A Quick Start Guide for Ages 6-12” —Government of British Columbia [showing prominence of ABA in British Columbia, Canada]

“Pathological Demand Avoidance: What and Who Are Being Pathologised and in Whose Interests?” by Allison Moore

Why Johnny Doesn’t Flap: NT Is OK! by Clay Morton and Gail Morton

“Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA)” —National Autistic Society